I found it of interest to share with you all a conversation on Gorean music between Koardan and I. He is an esteemed Gorean dance judge and Gorean musical investigator. Within this conversation you'll find his collection of helpful instrumental list within the Journey of a Dance judge, his other blog! http://housekoardan.blogspot.com/p/music.html?zx=aee43e7c20fa10b7
[13:27] Koardan: Okay, I am interested in your course in Music Lady Vika, as I have taken it, and it inspired me. I found it one of the best courses I have taken.
[13:28] Vika Turmis (acedah) nods.
[13:28] Koardan: I would like to add some sounds to our class, but since you teach a similar subject, and teach it well, I wished to compare notes.
[13:28] Vika Turmis (acedah): Sure.
[13:28] Koardan: Grins
[13:28] Koardan: I have made some notes at http://housekoardan.blogspot.com/p/music.html
[13:28] Koardan: at table of instruments
[13:29] Koardan: my goal for the course is to let people know what instruments are BtB, which possible, and which for 'creative' mode.
[13:29] Koardan: Thoughts?
[13:29] Vika Turmis (acedah): Don't forget the samisen
[13:29] Koardan: (or any thoughts in general on how to make a kick posterior music course)
[13:29] Koardan: ooo, good one, yes
[13:30] Koardan: Would you consider that Pani, or Czehar in general sounding?
[13:30] Vika Turmis (acedah): The Samisen is similiar to the Earth Shamisen. Has a very twangy sound. The Czehar is a bit smoother.
[13:31] Koardan: LOL
[13:31] Vika Turmis (acedah): Compare a Japanese koto to a Shamisen, the sound is different.
[13:31] Koardan: interesting!
[13:31] Koardan: Do you have some favorites we should emphasize?
[13:31] Koardan: Samisen I take it?
[13:32] Koardan: (I have a Guezheng plugin (not sure on speling)
[13:32] Vika Turmis (acedah) smiles.
[13:32] Vika Turmis (acedah): I like the voice.....song.
[13:32] Vika Turmis (acedah): The most interesting instrument is the human voice, girls sang sometimes.
[13:32] Koardan: ooo, good to know, as I was unsure.
[13:33] Koardan: I have some plugins for human voice, as well as the Meliki Miles vocal objects.
[13:33] Koardan: Makes note - Samisen, femal vocals, nods.
[13:33] Vika Turmis (acedah): I like the music you have on here.
[13:33] Koardan: ty! grins
[13:34] Vika Turmis (acedah): Did you know that every instrument in the book can be taught to a slave to play? The only one not mentioned is the czehar so many free actually get in tizzy over the czehar in SL because in the books it says it's the most "prestigious"
[13:35] Koardan: ((I even found some Mongolian Thuvian throat singing, - possible, given the cutulres)
[13:35] Koardan: interesting
[13:35] Koardan: yes!
[13:35] Koardan: I was unsure of slaves could play the Czehar - not common, but I was not sure if it was allowed at all.
[13:35] Koardan: good, useful!
[13:36] Vika Turmis (acedah): There's not quote saying they can or can't....but based upon the information provided that we see slaves playing every instrument but that....it wouldn't be unheard of I assume.
[13:36] Koardan: Agreed.
[13:36] Vika Turmis (acedah): Hmm
[13:37] Koardan: Drums, flute, Czehar / Samisen etc / Kalika, vocals, Tambourine etc
[13:37] Vika Turmis (acedah): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QvMcQ2Eejo
[13:37] Tissia (vinkaa) is offline.
[13:37] Koardan: yes! True Lady, you do
[13:37] Koardan: nice! a fine sound
[13:37] Koardan: Excellent
[13:37] Vika Turmis (acedah): This has voice, drums, czehar......flute
[13:37] Koardan: Do you have thougths on bowed strings ? piano?
[13:37] Koardan: ooo, good orchestration
[13:38] Vika Turmis (acedah): No good piano
[13:38] Vika Turmis (acedah): The reason why I'd say no piano possible on Gor is because it's heavy. Players travel...so the instruments cater to them.
[13:38] Vika Turmis (acedah): Musician that is.
[13:39] Koardan: Good point! not just the tech, but have move the darned thing
[13:39] Vika Turmis (acedah): I like your website though.
[13:39] Koardan: I would like to tell them that at an exhibition, no holds barred - even synthesizes, what moves you heart. But that's much different than trying to replicate a BtB tavern scene
[13:40] Koardan: grins, thank you. I had fun putting it together, and leaned much in the process!
[13:40] Vika Turmis (acedah): I think though, a twist on traditional Gorean instruments is fine
[13:40] Vika Turmis (acedah): Examples of this would be an Electric Guitar, synthesizer lead, dub step wobbler, or snare drum,
[13:41] Vika Turmis (acedah): As long as you still use the Gorean instrument with the slight more modern twist I think it'll be ok in dance exhibits.....right?
[13:41] Koardan: Yes!
[13:41] Vika Turmis (acedah): Something you can tap your foot to
[13:41] Koardan: snare = metal tech
[13:41] Vika Turmis (acedah): Two cymbals can make that sound in Gor
[13:41] Koardan: so like a Digideridoo? or Hang drum?
[13:41] Vika Turmis (acedah): Just roll them a little.
[13:41] Koardan nods, considering cymbals
[13:42] Koardan: I hope to rezz some examples, upload some samples (or youtube links) and have them learn with a little hands on
[13:42] Vika Turmis (acedah) smiles
[13:42] Koardan: following your thougths on Gor or twist or no f'ing way
[13:42] Koardan: chuckles
[13:42] Vika Turmis (acedah): My favorite example of a modern twist on Gor instruments...
[13:42] Vika Turmis (acedah): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFpIj8SMjjI
[13:42] Vika Turmis (acedah): This I played in my class.
[13:43] Vika Turmis (acedah): The soft clink could be slave bells....the gentle beginnings of cymbals....
[13:43] Koardan: Bravo! perfect example
[13:43] Koardan: some subtle pads
[13:43] Vika Turmis (acedah): Then the violin...which could be a smoother czehar.
[13:43] Koardan: that do not spoil the Gorean character
[13:43] Koardan: mmmmm yes!
[13:43] Vika Turmis (acedah): The thump of the red hunter drum
[13:44] Vika Turmis (acedah): It's a very deep sounding drum...
[13:44] Koardan: Grins, yes
[13:44] Vika Turmis (acedah): But this song contains nearly every instrument.
[13:44] Vika Turmis (acedah): Sistrums....
[13:44] Koardan: And Tarn Wardrums (Taiko? Timpani?) not sure slaves would get those
[13:44] Koardan: Sistrums? yes, was not sure on those
[13:44] Vika Turmis (acedah): Could be.
[13:45] Vika Turmis (acedah): It's a jingle bells kinda sound to me.
[13:45] Vika Turmis (acedah): Lots of bells
[13:45] Koardan: nods, yes, the pictures I have seen are metal hand held thigns with lots of metal junk - jinglers
[13:45] Vika Turmis (acedah): Yup
[13:45] Vika Turmis (acedah): Jinglers
[13:45] Vika Turmis (acedah): Haha
[13:45] Koardan: hehe, shakable junk
[13:46] Koardan: and finger cymbals are in use by belly dancers in Turkey, so a good match there
[13:47] Koardan: interesting. I like your thoughts, and (links)
[13:47] Koardan: What instruments would you hear in the North?
[13:47] Vika Turmis (acedah) sighs.
[13:47] Vika Turmis (acedah): Here's the thing about the north...
[13:48] Vika Turmis (acedah): The north isn't about working.....
[13:48] Vika Turmis (acedah): is*
[13:48] Vika Turmis (acedah): Their girls aren't trained to dance.....or...serve really....they just wander around and shove drinks around. If you read the books they aren't exactly an artsy fartsy culture.
[13:48] Koardan laughs
[13:48] Vika Turmis (acedah): They're a "Here I am....ta-duh" culture.
[13:48] Koardan: explains why I go there so little.
[13:49] Koardan: in the present
[13:49] Koardan: yes
[13:49] Vika Turmis (acedah): So if I had to give the north a sound
[13:49] Vika Turmis (acedah): I'd think of the simple drum and voice
[13:49] Koardan: I imagine the odd bosk horn in the distance
[13:49] Koardan: or celtic
[13:49] Koardan: yes
[13:49] Koardan: simple, primative
[13:50] Koardan: high whistle flute? Harp? impromtu drums?
[13:50] Vika Turmis (acedah): Not sure.
[13:50] Koardan: I am wondering what Vikings did for music - mostly think of animal horn
[13:50] Vika Turmis (acedah): Drums....lots of drums
[13:50] Vika Turmis (acedah): lol
[13:50] Koardan: or raid the English Abbies, and make them sing! LOL
[13:51] Koardan: I also like to touch on 'how' the stuff was used, like not writing down music
[13:51] Vika Turmis (acedah): Says vikings used pan flutes
[13:51] Vika Turmis (acedah): horn pipes
[13:51] Vika Turmis (acedah): and lurs
[13:51] Koardan: nice, yes, Pan flutes, horn pipe, exclelent
[13:51] Koardan: Lyrs seem popular, yes
[13:52] Koardan: but as you say, may be background music, not the bonds playing it like you may see in the South
[13:52] Vika Turmis (acedah): and harps
[13:52] Koardan: yes!
[13:53] Koardan: Excellent
[13:53] Koardan: yes, luckily my Snow has some experience from up there
[13:54] Vika Turmis (acedah): They look at the slaves in the south and think they're delicate little flowers.
[13:54] Koardan: yes!
[13:54] Vika Turmis (acedah): So in truth I wouldn't imagine they'd dance as they're used for field work
[13:54] ﻜησѡ (snow.mistwood) smiles
[13:54] Koardan: Interesting, yes
[13:54] Vika Turmis (acedah) thinks.
[13:54] Vika Turmis (acedah): I suppose for a northern "dance" they'd have to become creative
[13:55] Koardan: much different RP around the music (if any) - Northern may be the men's war music...
[13:55] Koardan: or background in a long hall
[13:55] Koardan: but the RP may be serving mead
[13:55] Koardan: as opposed to the south where you could RP the musicians
[13:56] Vika Turmis (acedah): Searched a little.
[13:56] Vika Turmis (acedah): We had fed well in the hall of Svein Blue Tooth. During the
meal, for Svein was a rich man, there had been acrobats, and
jugglers and minstrels.
[13:56] YeahSoWhat left the region.
[13:56] Koardan: interesting
[13:56] Koardan: minstrels = voice?
[13:57] Vika Turmis (acedah): The Forkbeard was, at one point, so furious at the
ineptness of the musicians, that he informed me of his own
intention to regale the tables with song. He was extremely
proud of his singing voice.
[13:57] Koardan: ha!
[13:57] Koardan: good one
[13:57] Vika Turmis (acedah): And then ensues a bunch of men just bringing out into a song.
[13:57] Vika Turmis (acedah): Very Viking to me
[13:57] Koardan: YES! that's the ticket
[13:57] Koardan: What do you think of repurposing some stuff from India
[13:58] Vika Turmis (acedah): breaking*
[13:58] Koardan: I avoid the Sitar, as it screams India
[13:58] Vika Turmis (acedah): I think that'd be good.
[13:58] Koardan: but some other stuff, vocals, yes, some other drums good
[13:58] Koardan: excellent
[13:58] Vika Turmis (acedah): The Sitar though could be loosely compared to the samisen
[13:58] Koardan: yes!
[13:59] Koardan: I also found Arabic scales use 24 notes, not just 12
[13:59] Koardan: so I have been learning Maqam!
[13:59] Koardan: I figure if folks have been capped / aquisitioned from diff parts of the world, some of those concepts may land on Gor
[14:00] Koardan: but without over Earthing it
[14:00] Vika Turmis (acedah): It might be a stretch but most things you can loosely bind to the Gorean instruments.
[14:00] Vika Turmis (acedah): Very true.
[14:00] Vika Turmis (acedah): Norman just had an affinity for Japanese, English, Greek, and French.
[14:00] Koardan: yes
[14:00] Vika Turmis (acedah): He mentions those type of female acquisitions often.
[14:00] Pudding (devine.teardrop) left the region.
[14:00] Vika Turmis (acedah): Even prior to his son taking over.
[14:00] Koardan: Yes, interesting
[14:01] Koardan: and if he wrote more books, he may eventually get to more cultures. So you could have a 'twist', like digideridoo Austrailian thing - not called out in the books, but correct tech
[14:02] Koardan: may have to be subtle as some instruments really feel like their Earth homeland. Unlike a Lyr, or Lute which seems so common across cultures.
[14:02] Vika Turmis (acedah) nods.
[14:02] Koardan: The North is the hardest perhaps.
[14:02] Koardan: Those were my thoughts thus far.
[14:03] Vika Turmis (acedah): But yes, that north question....very complicated.
[14:03] Koardan: Any other thoughts ladies?
[14:03] Vika Turmis (acedah): Nothing thus far.
[14:03] Koardan: yes, North is hard, but may allow for thinking, and necessity being the mother of invention
[14:04] Vika Turmis (acedah): I doubt they'd have the more flowery instruments
[14:04] Koardan: Yes, exactly
[14:04] Vika Turmis (acedah): Czehar.....kalika......
[14:04] Koardan: and low tech on Metal
[14:04] nameless (elinescorpio) is offline.
[14:04] Koardan: Norman mentions trumpets, but that's a stretch as they are brass, which is metalurgy
[14:05] Koardan: Grins
[14:06] Koardan: Thank you Vika (and kajirae), as I have wanted to seek your thoughts for a long time.
[14:06] Vika Turmis (acedah): Glad to help.
[14:06] Vika Turmis (acedah): I love music.
[14:06] Vika Turmis (acedah): Dance just happens to go with it.
[14:06] Vika Turmis (acedah) laughs
[14:06] Vika Turmis (acedah): But the most important thing is they find something that moves their souls.
